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#Microblog Monday 513: Interesting Advice

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A recent Carolyn Hax column made me pause, and I was curious what you thought. That, by the way, is a gift link.

The situation: a woman laments two friends who have changed profoundly — both in actuality and expressed through their postings online. Carolyn’s advice is to choose a different medium to connect with them if they want the person in their life but don’t want to be distressed by what they post. “Connect using the least conspiracy-, peculiarity- and lunacy-friendly communications medium.”

Yes, there is always the choice to remove someone from your life, but there are many reasons why someone would not. The question asker wanted to know how to keep these people in their life and minimize their emotional impact, which sounds a bit impossible, though Carolyn’s advice certainly feels like maybe the only possible path forward.

What do you think of her advice?

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November 25, 2024   No Comments

How to Get From Thanksgiving to New Years When You’re Not in the Mood

I’ve written a post like this every year, bringing together all the advice from the years before (my own and what appeared in the comment section) and then opening it up to additional ideas (which will be brought next year into the new post as well). Because this time of year can be both impossibly difficult or impossibly wonderful depending on which side of the happiness line you fall.

Holidays are a lot of pressure — to get them right, to coordinate schedules/needs/wants, to navigate relationships, to travel. For some people those pressures are additionally pressed down by the knowledge of people missing from the table — either those who were once here or those who haven’t been brought into your family yet. And compounding it all is this ongoing message that holidays must be fun! They must be a happy time! Families must draw together and eat a spiral ham in front of a roaring fire with a sparkling tree in the background!

Even if they’re out of work. Even if they don’t have the family they want. Even if they’re in mourning.

For people who are happily moving through the holiday season, especially those finally celebrating after many dry years, I lift my virtual glass of champagne to you and send you off to enjoy it. Don’t apologize for being happy — just soak in this time.

For anyone else still sticking around to read this, remember that everyone experiences something in life that makes a particular year or set of years difficult for them. That for every holiday season that you enjoy and look forward to participating in, there is also a time in life where you dread all the reminders that come with a holiday season and wish you could avoid the whole thing. And this year may be that time for you, but it won’t always be that time for you. Things change; both for good and bad. This too shall pass.

You can sit out of the festivities if that’s what you need to do, but a survival guide is sort of like holding your breath to eat (you know, so you don’t taste anything) when your mother asks you to try lima beans. Like slimy green lima beans, going to events is usually good for you, and it’s important to be around people who care about you when the going is tough. You just may need a trick for getting through family time just as mouth-breathing (and not tasting) works for choking down undesired foods.

I’ll offer up the same advice I give every year with additional notes from comments that came on those old posts:

  • Create your own incentives and treat getting through the holiday season as your job. Pay yourself in whatever will make you happy. For instance, after a trip to the local mall to have your picture taken with your niece and Santa, pay yourself with a manicure. Attending the holiday party from hell may win you an entire bar of chocolate. It’s worth setting up small incentives and budgeting for your own happiness because it can be something to focus on during the task at hand.
  • You know the idea that you can take a large school and make it small but you can’t go the other way around? Flip that concept when it comes to the holidays: take a small part of the holiday and make it big. Focus on something that you can do and make it your contribution to the holiday season. If you know celebrating Christmas will be too much, make sure you throw yourself wholeheartedly into helping prepare Thanksgiving (and then develop an unfortunate case of the stomach flu on December 24th). If you can organize the family gift but can’t fathom how you’ll do Christmas dinner, make sure you send out an email to your siblings early asking for photos of your nieces and nephews so you can design a great picture calendar for your parents. And then skip the ham.
  • Do all your shopping online instead of subjecting yourself to walking past the displays of toys and Christmas baby clothes at the store. Keep it simple this year – you have a lifetime to plot out the most fantastic gifts of all time. This may be the year that you need to buy a DVD or book for each person your list and be done.
  • Leave a note in your pocket: write a note to yourself, ask a friend to jot something down, trade letters with your partner, or simply leave a list of names (therapist, fellow bloggers, the friend you’ll drink with the moment you get home) in your pocket to touch as a reminder that someone has your back when you begin to feel overwhelmed at the holiday table. I can’t be with you at your Christmas dinner (the whole Jew and vegetarian thing aside, I just don’t think your family is going to be cool if you drag along a random blogger), but I can give you a note right now to keep in your pocket. Simply print this out and whenever you get overwhelmed, touch it and remember that there are people out there who get you. And change the line about mini hot dogs if you’re a vegetarian:

Hey Sweetie:

I know it was really hard to come to this party/dinner/get together but now that you’re here, you’re even closer to it being over. Try to enjoy yourself, but if you can’t, nip into the bathroom for a cry or bury yourself at the buffet table and do nothing but eat mini hot dogs for the rest of the night. There is no shame in enduring rather than enjoying and you need to do whatever you need to do to get through this without ruining any relationships. Make sure you take time for yourself today/tonight after you get home. I’m here on the other end of the computer if you need me.

Love,
Mel

  • Pick and Choose: there is no rule that says you must attend every event during the holiday season – even if you’ve gone to everything in the past. If it’s going to cause more grief than it’s worth, just attend the event. But if you can get your partner to “surprise” you with a holiday trip, all the better.
  • Book: I actually include a lot of ideas like these in Navigating the Land of If to get through life in general; not just holiday. I’m just saying.
  • I will tell you the only trick I have up my sleeve: the holiday card. Most holiday cards we receive are either generic package-of-12 types or pictures of kids/families. We send out cards every year that routinely get responses that it was the best card they’ve gotten all year, or sometimes the best card ever. Sometimes one fabulous photo of us in some fabulous locale; sometimes a whole series around the world (which it will have to be again this year). We used to just have a normal photo card, but now we include a newsy update of career progress and travels. The people with kids (or limited funds, or limited outlook) say, “Wow, your life is amazing. I’m stuck here at home.” I’m not trying to make them feel envious of us, but envy is way better than pity. –Baby Smiling in Back Seat
  • All of our friends have been sending photo X-mas cards in the past years. In previous years, we’d send an awesome vacation photo. Like- heh!- we still had fun this year! –Mrs. Spock
  • One tip I figured out early on: If you can’t shop online & have to go to the mall, find out what hours Santa will be there — & then go when he’s not around. There won’t be as many kids & babies around to deal with then. –The Road Less Travelled
  • I manage to work in a reference to Katie in every edition of our Christmas letter … usually in relation to our volunteer work. But I like being able to remind people that she was real & is still a part of our lives. My Christmas card itself usually has either an angel or Classic Pooh theme (which was also the theme of her nursery). I know other people who use angel stamps on their cards as a subtle reminder of their lost baby(s). –The Road Less Travelled
  • This year I solved my problem in the cowardly fashion … I offered to work. I work at a domestic violence shelter, which is open 24/7 … So I figure I might as well. I can get paid double time as well, so it’s all sorts of awesome. –An Unwanted Path
  • I started listening to holiday music in August this year. I’m using it as my own private technique for connecting with the joy of the season early enough that I won’t suddenly get trampled in the crush of child-centric images, events, and conversations coming my way during the actual season. I want this year to be different! –Lisa
  • Instead of focusing on what I can’t handle, I’m heading into the season excited about the possibilities of the new traditions TH and I will make this year. I’m just going to roll with the punches. If I’m really excited about putting up the tree, we’re going to do it and not wait. If I can’t handle being around our nephew, TH can go and I can stay home. I’m not going to force myself into any situation, and I’m just going to accept where I am and be there. –Kim
  • I just bought three bottles of my favorite wine yesterday to take to my mom’s… and I don’t plan to share any of it. –Guera!
  • I think I’m going to plan something for just me and my husband so we’ve got an event during the holiday season to look forward to. It’s either going to be going out to a really nice restaurant or going on a trip (or possibly both!). —Sushigirl
  • I’m a big fan of lights. Lights inside and out of the house. But putting up the tree where cute handmade kid ornaments should be was always too hard. So I just put up lights – it goes back to finding out what you can do to enjoy the season and doing it. —BigPandMe
  • Two years ago at Christmas right after my 3rd miscarriage I was in a really bad place and dreading the holidays. My mom suggested that instead of our normal Christmas Eve meal we make homemade Chinese food – egg rolls, stir fry, etc. It turned out great and for whatever reason not having to face the traditional meal made it so much better. Don’t get me wrong – it was still really hard – but I got through it and was happy that I spent time with my family instead of avoiding the whole holiday. –Becky
  • And “work” can also mean volunteer work. Nobody is going to get mad at you for selflessly devoting your time and skills at a soup kitchen instead of sitting around the family table (or for rushing from the family table to do said work). Or they might, but they’ll end up looking like the bad guy, not you. —Bea
  • Remember it’s just a day. It has no power. You don’t have to enjoy it. Lots of people don’t. —Mali
  • Sometimes things suck, and sometimes, you have to feel what you’re going to feel while things suck. It’s okay to mourn and it’s okay to cry and it’s okay to not pull yourself up by the bootstraps based on someone else’s timetable rather than your own. And that sometimes, when you push yourself to do something, you find that you actually derived a great deal of peace from the experience. Such as sitting down at the Thanksgiving table when you’re sort of dreading being around people. –Me (from two years ago)
  • By refusing to stay over, so that I know we can go home when we’ve had enough. Oh sorry, we’ve got the cat to feed, we can’t possibly stay longer… —Rebecca
  • As someone who had (is having) a happy IF ending that resulted in children, I find myself very aware of the depression of holidays past. So this year, I’m doing two Christmas cards: one for family and other friends who experienced a happy IF ending, and one for those who are still waiting with empty arms. The first will, of course, include a picture of our family and children and all the enjoyment of the past year. The second will be less “kids in your face” and more “Happy Holidays, we love you.” I remember how much it stung to get Christmas cards in the mail of new babies and young families that I wanted so badly for myself. I just can’t do it to my friends how I KNOW are enduring the same heartache. —Amy
  • Lots of wine and a sober husband to get me home. When everyone is so busy doting on kids or passing around gifts, its easy to just be in the room, but just off to the corner, on the outskirts, enjoying drink after drink. And I also let hubby tackle the “so when are you guys gonna have kids” questions. —Kimberly
  • We’ll have a big breakfast, then go out for a real long walk (10 miles), then we’ll come back and cook a sumptuous dinner for the two of us, then in the evening, we’ll head out to the in-laws when the children will be in bed and we can just stay an hour or so before being tired and heading home for our beds. –Flowergirl
  • My husband and I started a tradition a few years ago that we cherish. We each spend the holiday season in search of the perfect tree ornament for the other. We decorate with the old looking blown glass ornaments and we try to find something that really represents the other person. My hubby’s have been a motorcycle, an old school looking robot, a space taser gun, Santa serving up beers, among a few others. This gave us something to focus on other than what was missing. —Lacie
  • My best advice is always to make the holidays as nice as you can for yourself. I love getting the Christmas tree and decorating, so I have been buying ornaments and looking at holiday decorating ideas. It has always been a happy part about Christmas, with or without children, whether or not I’ve been in a relationship, so it is the thing I can hang on to. —Chickenpig
  • Spending the holidays where the celebration is so different from what you are used to also really helped- yes there were lots of Christmas decorations around, and small children, but there were no Santa photo stands. —Persnickity
  • I would say to just take care of yourself. You know what you need to help yourself so do what makes you feel good and not what others expect you to do. —Cautious Optimist
  • For me, prioritization is definitely the key to getting through the holidays. Even before infertility, I’ve always been an introvert, and it can feel pretty overwhelming to be around people so much – even people I genuinely like. I try to go through my list of holiday stuff/events and figure out which things are high priority. Then I try to go to those and not worry about the rest of it too much. — Katherine A
  • And if I really have to be at an event and I don’t want to be there, I keep to the outskirts of the group and nurse a drink. If I ever find myself needing an out, a quick SOS text to a friend and a call from them with a sudden “emergency” gives me that out if I’m desperate. — Kimberly
  • Start a new tradition. One new recipe (despite people’s insistence on the same food year after year), a themed gift to give people (think goofy fuzzy socks or imported candy), a trip instead of gifts, movie marathons, men cook something for a change (make it a dare, or bet money on who makes the best stuffing), things like that. I myself like themed cocktails. Candy crush martini anyone? — Deathstar
  • I don’t know if it’s survival or not, but for the last three years I have joined a secret Christmas card swap on Postcrossing (on the forums). You nominate how many cards you want to send ( limited for some countries due to participant numbers) and the organiser does a lot of work and sends through a list of people to send them through to… It’s fun to find cards for people in random places, and it is really fun to receive surprises from overseas, too. —Persnickety
  • If you have to do a family thing, throw yourself into doing something that’s not part of the normal festive routine or, even better, do something different on Christmas day (we had a barbecue. In the snow). —Sushigirl
  • Once when I had a really tough holiday season ahead of me, a friend had offered for me to come to her house for Thanksgiving. I wish I had taken her up on her offer. Sometimes doing something different or getting out of town can really help. —Jamie
  • Personally, if I could manage it, I think I’d spend almost every holiday season somewhere where I could just do my own thing, and feel excited about being somewhere new, or somewhere I love, or doing something I love. We have friends who always, always fly internationally on Christmas Day, a) because they don’t have families they feel they should be with, b) it’s a way to avoid the feeling that they’re missing something, and c) because the flights are so much cheaper, and upgrades are so much easier to get! —Mali
  • One thing that we did that made the holidays bearable was to schedule a vacation. Can involve traveling (in our case, to Las Vegas) or a simple staycation. Having something to look forward to in the middle of the holiday hoopla helped make getting through some of those required events manageable. It also gave us something to talk about when the conversation steered towards “so what have you guys been up to?” or the dreaded conversations about family expansion. —Cristy
  • I am lucky enough to be a very involved Aunt, so I generally find the holidays fun and exciting – but I’d be lying if I didn’t admit to going home from the family dinner, or climbing into bed mid-Christmas morning and sobbing. As long as I keep busy, I am OK but as soon as I take a breather – there it is, snatching away my happiness. —Raven
  • It’s a celebration of what is RIGHT NOW, and not a moping of what might-have-been. I mean, we can mope if we want to, but we’ll do it in the snowy mountains with a glass of wine in hand in front of a fireplace with a good book on our laps. —Jess
  • The one I focus on for myself – I control how much time I spend at the holiday events I do not enjoy. For example, I must attend my mother in laws cookie party even though it is very uncomfortable for me. But I don’t have to attend every minute – I go an hour late so I miss the dramatic ornament exchange and torturous party games, and I leave after food and the cookie exchange. I am pleasant while there and can get out with my sanity. –Beth
  • I liked the idea of just getting people a book or DVD this year and that I can stress about buying the prefect present some other year. —Dubliner in Deutschland
  • It’s okay to take care of yourself despite the pressure to do otherwise … What still helps is not feeling blindsided. Everyone above mentions some sort of plan to deal with this (limiting time, having a planned response, figuring out ways to celebrate in your own way prior to dealing with others). But the other thing is I’ve found these questions emerge when there’s some sort of lull in the conversation or the questioners are lacking anything else to connect over. I realize most don’t mean to be hurtful with these questions, but often they aren’t thinking about the impact of their questions or conversations. —Cristy
  • My way to get through the season is just putting one foot in front of the other. Isolate and participate in self care as needed. But eventually it will pass. —Manapan
  • Something that’s helpful with the overwhelmingness of the season and shopping is to either try to do most of the shopping in November (so you can relax in December and watch everyone else go crazy), or do a lot of online shopping at little interesting catalog sources like Bas Bleu, Uncommon Goods, Signals, etc. Bonus if they benefit a cause. I love to shop local, too, which keeps me out of the mall. The mall is the devil. —Jess
  • Perhaps my advice for this year would be that you shouldn’t feel the need to do the same thing every year, just because it’s how you’ve always done it. That includes how you did it, pre-loss & infertility, and it includes since then too. —Loribeth
  • This year, I went ahead and wrote down all the possible scenarios of things percolating through my brain that happen and could really be upsetting to me (for example, one of mine was “Surprise pregnancy announcement”). Then I wrote down the “uncensored” version of what I actually wanted to say/do in response – and when I say uncensored, I mean it. I let all the words and feelings fly in those responses. Then I sat with that for a few minutes and wrote down what I wanted to say/do “in real life” if one of those scenarios actually occurred. It was helpful because I got to dump out all the feelings, examine them, then come up with scripts/actions that I could feel good about and plan out instead of reacting in the heat of the moment. —KatherineA
  • One thing that I’ve decided to do this year that I haven’t done for a while is taking getting one thing on the calendar that is solely for me to enjoy. It’s nothing overly grand and definitely is inexpensive, but I need something that I can look forward to and be excited about that is completely outside the holiday madness. —Cristy
  • The first few years after losing our twins, the holidays were absolutely unbearable. We sucked it up and did what was expected, as far as plans with our families, but it was so painful…even after we were blessed with a living rainbow. We finally realized that sticking to the same holiday traditions we’d known our whole lives no longer felt good or authentic…so we opted out. We now have two living children and are making our own traditions with quick (few hour long) participation in festivities with our families of origin. Every year we add new ornaments to our tree for all four of our children (and the twins, being gone seven years now, dominate our tree). I give myself lots of emotional space and quiet time. And every year I breathe a sigh of relief on January 2nd. —Amy
  • We booked our Vermont vacation for the day after Christmas (before we knew we were buying a new house), and that has given me something to look forward to in the crush of the season. I’m glad we’re not there for Christmas proper, because it will be nice to start a new tradition of our own in our new house. I am still trying to get shopping done early to avoid the mall. We are having fun planning our holiday card again, because i last year’s was explaining that we were done trying to build our family, so I really want this year’s to be joyous and representative of a life well lived, not defined by an absence. We’ll continue our Thanksgiving tradition of family dinner at my mom’s in Friday, and a romantic day and dinner just us two on the actual holiday. —Jess
  • There is always something timely and helpful in this classic post. —Lori [editor’s note: YES!]
  • This may seem really counter-intuitive, but when I am in a funk or worse around a holiday, sometimes it’s just forcing myself to just do the thing, or just go to the thing that actually helps rather than avoiding it. A lot of times for me, it’s the lead-up and the worry that ends up being worse than the actual thing itself. I can usually find someone to chat with or something delicious to stuff my face with to avoid talking. If I go and feel really icky, I can always leave, but not doing the thing usually makes me feel worse. I haven’t been in the mood to do holiday stuff yet, but I started small so far…making cookie dough, adding things to my amazon cart, finally getting our tree. Things in small spurts I force myself to do because I know if I go through the season and don’t do those things, come January I will feel like I wasted the season and then I will be upset about that. —Charlotte
  • One thing that my extended family has done for the past few years is to only give presents to the children at Christmas – that makes a big difference financially. There are over 12 members, and about 4 children. We aren’t strict about it, but it is a little easier on the wallet. –Cynthia
  • There are two things that have helped me navigate my way through this time of year, which always brings memories of losses. The first is deciding – as per my advice in your post – to treat this as just one day. The second is choosing to reclaim Christmas tto reflect the things I’ve always enjoyed about it, or to mark the way I want to spend it now. My post from nine years ago talks about that. I believe that even more now. —Mali
  • “Last year was relatively easy, because there were more restrictions in place so to do your own thing was acceptable. This year I feel like there is a split between, ‘we’re vaccinated and everything’s normal now’ and ‘OMG cases are on the rise and I am so not comfortable pretending this is over.’ We’re doing Thanksgiving on Friday with my parents and sister and her family, but we’re not staying for dinner. We’re having wine and appetizers in the garage with the door open because while I am boosted, Bryce is not yet, and cases are on the rise in the non-boosted here. It was a good compromise that allowed me to give a solution and do what makes us comfortable without having it feel like a snub.” —Jess
  • “I find I am less in the throes of grief these days (thankfully!) — but the holidays can still be hard, for various reasons, even after all these years (witness: pandemic!) — and this post is always a great reminder of things we can do to make things easier for ourselves.” —Loribeth
  • “I don’t offer to host, even if a family member tries to guilt me into it. I will bring anything that is requested, I will help set up and clean up and generally do anything needed. But by not hosting, I can leave when my little family is ready. When my neurodivergent daughter is overwhelmed, we get to exit without any added pressure. Or when I’ve had enough of my in-laws’ brand of wacky, we get in our car with our audiobooks and drive on home. It might seem selfish to some people, but it’s important to my own enjoyment/survival and that has to matter too.” –Beth

I hope you can take comfort in knowing that there are a lot of people out there who are either in the same boat or have lived through a difficult holiday season and have your back. How do you get through the holiday season when you’re feeling less than your best?

November 24, 2024   No Comments

1013th Friday Blog Roundup

Last week, my friend and I went sans kids to see Frozen (the play, not the movie). I had forgotten numerous plot points, and the stage show had a bunch of additional songs and special effects. At one point, Elsa is singing about letting it go, and she throws out her arms, and she is in the ice queen dress. Snow shoots out of her hands. Olaf dances across the stage. It was really cool.

And it made my heart hurt because the little kids in the audience (and it was bonkers how many little kids were there on a weeknight) kept whispering to their parents, “The real Elsa and Anna are here!” After the final bow, a bunch of kids burst into tears, heartbroken that they were so close to the real Elsa and Anna, but they would have to leave them. There was a lot of wailing in theater lobby.

I felt pretty teary through the whole thing myself, even though I was completely delighted to see something so happy and hopeful amid all the bleak November news. I remember that soundtrack playing on a loop through a chunk of elementary school. How far away college felt back then. How it’s here now.

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Stop procrastinating. Go make your backups. Don’t have regrets.

Seriously. Stop what you’re doing for a moment. It will take you fifteen minutes, tops. But you will have peace of mind for days and days. It’s the gift to yourself that keeps on giving.

As always, add any new thoughts to the Friday Backup post and peruse new comments to find out about methods, plug-ins, and devices that help you quickly back up your data and accounts.

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And now the blogs…

But first, second, helpings of the posts that appeared in the open comment thread last week. To read the description before clicking over, please return to the open thread:

  • None… sniff.

Okay, now my choices this week.

Apron Strings for Emily unpacks her thoughts on the election. She writes: “And here we are now, 8 years later … feeling like we’re back to Square One. Some may even venture to say Square Negative One Hundred.” But don’t despair — reading her post may give you a little peace of heart.

Lastly, A Separate Life’s list of favourite cities is a nice distraction this week, even though she left my city in the undecided category. Reading it made me realize that I like small cities. We tend to use a major city as a base (London) but then take day trips off of it to smaller cities. Oxford and Canterbury are still cities, right? They’re just small cities. So I am a small city lady. I like Bayeux over Paris. I like Jaffa over Tel Aviv. I like Figueres over Barcelona. Go read her list.

The roundup to the Roundup: Frozen. Your weekly backup nudge. And lots of great posts to read. So what did you find this week? Please use a permalink to the blog post (written between November 15 – 22) and not the blog’s main URL. Not understanding why I’m asking you what you found this week. Read the original open thread post here.

November 22, 2024   1 Comment

The Right Words

Sometimes you read the right words, and you think to yourself, I should keep this somewhere because they are perfect words that capture common human emotions. Fair warning: it’s an essay about the death of a dog.

“Grief is a hole, but love is a ladder. Every day, we remember our best boy. Every day, we reach for another rung.”

I have never had a dog, but I think so many of her words are applicable to all forms of grief.

“It’s a profound experience and a terrible privilege. I hated every moment, but I would do it again in a heartbeat.”

I am gutted for them, but it is one of the best pieces of writing I’ve read in a long time.

“But forgetting is another kind of death, a second tragedy.”

Placing this here in case it brings you comfort, too.

November 20, 2024   No Comments

Gift Fatigue

Once upon a time, I was a decent gift-giver. Not the best, but certainly decent with people I knew well. I walked through toy stores or picked out outfits. And I believe most people were happy. And if they weren’t, they didn’t tell me, so I’m choosing to believe they were.

But in the past few years, I’ve moved to checks. Not even Visa gift cards. Or store gift cards. I’ve gone straight to checks, which may be the most unexciting thing you can give a child. Or even some adults. But that’s what we’ve done unless the person tells me, “I want this exact thing” or something like that.

I think the check thing is kind. I mean, a gift card means they now need to track a physical or digital card. While they may feel guilty spending money on something when they use a check vs. a gift card, I feel like that’s a small price to pay for the convenience of getting to make a choice on their own timeline whenever they need something fun in their life.

Maybe I’ll loop back to the fun side of gift-giving. I still do get physical things when I see something and think of the other person. But that’s different from gifting on command; gifting in a specific moment because it’s a holiday or birthday.

Clearly trying to be okay with this.

November 19, 2024   2 Comments

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