tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post4518081484040057243..comments2023-08-15T05:02:58.115-04:00Comments on Stirrup Queens and Sperm Palace Jesters: Why You Should Be Worried About GeorgiaLollipop Goldsteinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01020874415819057995noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-25921780893864529572009-03-10T06:20:00.000-04:002009-03-10T06:20:00.000-04:00Um, it's a little early for me. That last "mid" c...Um, it's a little early for me. That last "mid" comment was mine. Sorry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-90077565003699213782009-03-10T06:19:00.000-04:002009-03-10T06:19:00.000-04:00I am a little behind in my reading, but WTF? What...I am a little behind in my reading, but WTF? What is the problem with cryopreservation? How does that limitation solve the perceived problem? The only weapon against ignorance like this is education, education, education. Oh, and the next election.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-33480476106765226722009-03-08T16:53:00.000-04:002009-03-08T16:53:00.000-04:00This just scares the shit out of me. And how DARE ...This just scares the shit out of me. And how DARE they try to limit what we can do with what WE are PAYING FOR!! I mean, with my case if something like this were to go through in my state I would be SCREWED. My fert rate is atrocious, so basically by limiting the number that they are allowed to "fertilize" would pretty much mean game over for me and my eggs. And no frozen embryos?? WTF??!?! I can understand, in some twisted way, that some people think all embryos should eventually find a "home" and not get discarded. But NO frozen embryos!??! How does that help anything??<BR/><BR/>I said to my husband, when the state is paying for ALL treatments, THEN they can start bringing up how many they will agree to transfer. (This is how a lot of europe works - they limit the number of embryos transferred, but it's ALL COVERED. I'd be willing to trade for that, you know? Be a little more cautious because I won't be footing the bill each time.) How DARE they try to limit something they won't even cover. Fucking assholes is all I have to say. OMG my head just wants to pop right off I am so furious.Nataliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16003334714597731355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-41054483949336874622009-03-06T15:55:00.000-05:002009-03-06T15:55:00.000-05:00It is very scary. Knowing how little the general ...It is very scary. Knowing how little the general public understands about the process is scary too because they could pass such a law out of ignorance.<BR/><BR/>A friend asked why an RE / Fertility clinic doesn't do any screening for gosh sakes. My answer was that everyone else can have as many kids as they want, they shouldn't stop us. She agreed immediately.<BR/><BR/>I think that "doing no harm" would also mean not transferring a bunch of embryos so that doc should perhaps be reprimanded (at least) but we don't write new laws because of a bad doctor.<BR/><BR/>FWIW, I transferred 6 embryos twice (and would have done selective abortion if needed) and had 2 miscarriages. I transferred 3 DE and had 1 implant. MY decision. Guidelines - fine. Laws - not until we do forced sterilization on people we decide are / would be bad parents.Kamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01215000341567119958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-81999714370442485132009-03-06T09:10:00.000-05:002009-03-06T09:10:00.000-05:00This bill is so scary to consider - obviously they...This bill is so scary to consider - obviously they don't understand the process. Thank you for posting about this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-3517407841425470302009-03-05T21:36:00.000-05:002009-03-05T21:36:00.000-05:00This bill kills me. Luckily it got sent to study c...This bill kills me. Luckily it got sent to study cmmt today so it's chances have dimmed. About half my job is dealing with bills and the legislature here and assuming GA is the same, this shit bill probably won't make it. Knock on wood.Iohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00918928563224342054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-34962570032062154822009-03-05T20:10:00.000-05:002009-03-05T20:10:00.000-05:00This is such BS! CNN had a question about this on...This is such BS! CNN had a question about this on their show The Cafferty File yesterday afternoon and many wrote about their uninformed opinions.....I wrote from my informed perspective, but it didn't get "approved" by the moderator. <BR/><BR/>I am all about spreading the word about this and you did a SUPERB job ~ is it okay if I post links to your post on my blog and other sites that I am visit???Angiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373349177873839594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-10000616863378695212009-03-05T16:42:00.000-05:002009-03-05T16:42:00.000-05:00There are no words to describe how f*cked up this ...There are no words to describe how f*cked up this is!!! NONE!<BR/><BR/>Wow! Just wow! <BR/><BR/>Thanks a lot Nadya!!!!Jen Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03919533488505215643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-3215905055690345392009-03-05T15:09:00.000-05:002009-03-05T15:09:00.000-05:00"This law is giving rights to embryos--not women a..."This law is giving rights to embryos--not women and men. In fact, it is taking away the rights of women and men to give it to embryos."<BR/><BR/>Well said, Mel! I love all of your other comparisons on the state of Georgia. <BR/>What really pisses me off over this whole thing is that Octomom is one out of millions and millions of people that use ART. This is like a witch-trial and in the end it is the loving, giving people that long to be parents for the right reasons that will be hurt.Somewhat Ordinaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09701338805685025735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-92195912914669649182009-03-05T11:59:00.000-05:002009-03-05T11:59:00.000-05:00Yes, Missouri is also working on similar legislati...Yes, Missouri is also working on similar legislation. <BR/>As far as limiting the embryos that are cryopreserved? The right to life groups don't want all those frozen babies, they want them all to be born.battynursehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02240029154165501340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-84965713776248344312009-03-05T11:29:00.000-05:002009-03-05T11:29:00.000-05:00I just received the following message from a legis...I just received the following message from a legislative aide to Senator Adelman:<BR/><BR/>My name is Daniel Schiff and I am Senator Adelman's Legislative Aide.<BR/>Thank you for sharing your viewpoint and support on this important issue with Sen. Adelman. I wanted to let you know that Sen. Adelman agrees with your stance on this issue and has been leading the charge against SB 169. A number of Senators on the Health and Human Services Committee recognized the complicated nature of the proposed legislation and were concerned about its unintended consequences. During the hearing, Senator Adelman proposed a measure to send SB 169 to a subcommittee for further study, effectively barring its progress this legislative session. His<BR/>proposal was approved by the committee by a vote of 11-3. <BR/><BR/>Again, we appreciate your input and support on this important issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-54394313499370508512009-03-05T11:27:00.000-05:002009-03-05T11:27:00.000-05:00I live in GA and I am appalled at the thought of t...I live in GA and I am appalled at the thought of this bill passing. My RE is speaking in front of the GA Senate today and their office was handing out fliers to everyone yesterday asking us to send a message to the members on the committee to vote NO.<BR/><BR/>I am a 41 year woman who is currently going through my 4th IVF. I have been unsuccessful in the last 3 IVFS and I cannot imagine if this bill were in place what I would have done. I had 19 mature eggs, 14 fertilized and when I did PGD testing NONE of them were normal. This scenerio would not have been possible under the new law and at an advanced maternal age I don't have time to wait.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attentionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-69458815423736774442009-03-05T10:52:00.000-05:002009-03-05T10:52:00.000-05:00Sometimes I hate living in Georgia. It disgusts m...Sometimes I hate living in Georgia. It disgusts me that a party which CLAIMS to prefer to leave more control in the hands of individuals rather than the government is the one that believes it knows better than MY doctor or ME what is best for MY infertility treatment. This is utterly absurd. I have gotten in touch with everyone I can think of for this matter and wish I could have been down at the meeting this morning.<BR/><BR/>I think the bill has a low chance of passing, but that doesn't make it less scary.Erinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04077459860855798660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-75542880371270122622009-03-05T10:51:00.000-05:002009-03-05T10:51:00.000-05:00I'm sick over this. I think what bothers me the m...I'm sick over this. I think what bothers me the most is that a so-called "pro-life" organization is trying to limit the ability of infertile couples to experience just that...the miracle of life. I do not think that most people who agree with the pro-life position would be in favor of this bill if they realized the implications for infertile couples. I believe that this group must be a particular religious organization that does not believe that infertility treatments should take place at all. This bill is about completely getting rid of IVF in Georgia...don't let them fool you. It also absolutely sickens me that they would use the octo-mom controversy as a way to fool Georgians that this is a good idea.<BR/><BR/>I also wrote a post on this issue:<BR/>http://prayingforalittleone.blogspot.com/2009/03/georgia-bill-seeks-to-end-ivf.htmlCourtneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080065654999450347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-21443084547283337652009-03-05T10:30:00.000-05:002009-03-05T10:30:00.000-05:00ABSOLUTELY PREPOSTEROUS!! It makes me ashamed to b...ABSOLUTELY PREPOSTEROUS!! It makes me ashamed to be a southerner when this junk comes out of a southern state. Octomom has done some IRREPARABLE damage to the IF community. It has shed such an awful light on such a sensitive subject. <BR/><BR/>In so many MANY ways, I wish the government would just BACK OFF and let people live their lives!~Holliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02604641853111796521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-17932755934247728632009-03-05T10:18:00.000-05:002009-03-05T10:18:00.000-05:00@ellenK, italy does have this legislation, and it ...@ellenK, italy does have this legislation, and it has low rates of both IVF full stop and IVF pregnancies - may or may not be related. <BR/><BR/>I agree partially with mel inthat if this was just referring to numbers of embryos transferred, it would be fine. Two under 40 and three over 40 is also the law in the UK, and it works well. Multiple studies have shown that increasing the number of embryos transferred does not increase pregnancy rate but does increase multiples rate. Basically the embryologists are pretty good at recognising which embryos to transfer.<BR/><BR/>The rest of the bill is clearly nonsense, and needs to be stopped.Thaliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12125639207843989848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-61142823591347576032009-03-05T10:12:00.000-05:002009-03-05T10:12:00.000-05:00This is all so backwards and I have a million thou...This is all so backwards and I have a million thoughts going through my head...many of them conflicting. I realize this is happening in Georgia and the bill was written by pro-lifers but when I step back and look at the big...really big picture I can't help but be reminded that this country just voted for a president who is actively EXPANDING government's intrusion into our lives. If you read the numerous bills making their way through congress right now (and many people do not) you should be shocked at how far reaching and intrusive many of the bills, when they becomes laws will be. We have to protect our freedoms in ALL areas and not pick and choose those which fit our liberal or conservative agendas. I am conservative. I am pro-life (but not without conflicts) but I am AGAINST the government intruding in our lives and telling us what we (and medical professionals) can do. The smaller the government the better in my opinion...in all areas. The government does not know better than me and my trusted doctors what is best for me. I hate what is happening right now to this country and most people who do not read the proposed legislation have no clue what is going on. The president and the congress are hiding behind the econonmy and the war while they quietly pass legislation taking away our freedoms and expanding government's control over our lives. I will always vote and protest against anything that takes away or limits our rights and freedoms. Whether that be gun control or reproductive rights. Call me a paradox but I believe in freedom first and less big brother telling me what I can do with my life.Guera!https://www.blogger.com/profile/12616928404421960462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-65041623788382940442009-03-05T10:07:00.000-05:002009-03-05T10:07:00.000-05:00That is absolutely ridiculous.That is absolutely ridiculous.HereWeGoAJenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17457680345376171720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-84551891711522812352009-03-05T10:03:00.000-05:002009-03-05T10:03:00.000-05:00This just upset me so much. My jaw dropped. I had ...This just upset me so much. My jaw dropped. I had to write a rush job post before heading out of town and wish I had told EVERYONE to write. <BR/><BR/>I wrote. I'd be at the Capitol this morning, but I'm out of town. Thanks for getting this disturbing news out. <BR/><BR/>This just scares me. It really makes me sick.<BR/><BR/>Signed,<BR/><BR/>Georgian without gonorrhea. :)'Murgdan'https://www.blogger.com/profile/00740095971968567222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-84749931735453717182009-03-05T10:00:00.000-05:002009-03-05T10:00:00.000-05:00This bill is an abomination! But, Mel, I don't und...This bill is an abomination! But, Mel, I don't understand one thing you wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>"Trying to find ways to cut back on the number of embryos cryopreserved is important."</I><BR/><BR/>Why? If people are willing to pay storage fees, why does it matter at all how many cryopreserved embryos exist? What to do with extra embryos is such a personal matter. A lot of clinics these days will only freeze top quality blasts, but this is not done to reduce the number of stored embryos, it's done to improve their frozen embryo transfer statistics.Dorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16255190971670471758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-32692996111923049072009-03-05T09:39:00.000-05:002009-03-05T09:39:00.000-05:00Good grief. This is just ridiculous.I'll do what I...Good grief. This is just ridiculous.<BR/><BR/>I'll do what I can to help, too... I'm so sick of government trying to take all our rights... sheesh.Mama Melissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11731917736362150072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-10961868572979197302009-03-05T09:08:00.000-05:002009-03-05T09:08:00.000-05:00Oh, great. I give Missouri about 10 days before so...Oh, great. I give Missouri about 10 days before some zealot legislator introduces a similar bill. <BR/><BR/>Question: Hasn't a European country -- I think it may be Italy -- tried to establish similar laws? How well did that work?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-27141204192265769232009-03-05T08:06:00.000-05:002009-03-05T08:06:00.000-05:00I am trying to tell myself that the legislative pr...I am trying to tell myself that the legislative process is a long and arduous one, and that the chances of this bill passing and being signed into law are very low . . . but the thought that the limitation on fertilization of retrieved eggs would even be suggested is scary as hell and reflects incredible ignorance of (or callousness about) infertility treatment. And it makes me even more upset at the media, starting with Oprah, for reinforcing the ignorance that already exists about the IVF process and its success rates.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-74154298602389679652009-03-05T07:50:00.000-05:002009-03-05T07:50:00.000-05:00I hate to say I told you so . . . but fuck! Knew ...I hate to say I told you so . . . but fuck! Knew this would happen!<BR/><BR/>My idea is that any state legislator who wants to vote on this particular bill needs to take a 20 question quiz about reproduction (basics and advanced) and the name/answers have to be made public. Let's see how much these jokers really know before they go passing bullshit like this. We can start with "transfer" vs. "implant" -- and no fair using your computer!Tashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07376651134993450207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30259745.post-80490724695085954162009-03-05T07:38:00.000-05:002009-03-05T07:38:00.000-05:00There are simultaneously no words and far too many...There are simultaneously no words and far too many words.<BR/><BR/>Why not just outlaw IVF altogether? It nearly amounts to the same thing.Cathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14504655919861269088noreply@blogger.com